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Dec 3, 2013 10:00am PST
are falling behind on math and science. >> you're exactly right. it is a national security issue. i would step back and put the education system in that big bucket of national institutions that are failing to adapt to the times. just like our other institutions letting us down right now. we have our leaders on the national and local level instead of getting together and figuring out what needs to be done, how do we modernize and transform our education system, they are fighting with each other and finding scapegoats. i have a personal interest there because of family members. i think teachers, for example, are not paid in this country and getting too much of the blame for what's going on. instead of scapegoating, instead of fighting, we need to have some serious conversations about how can we do things differently than we have for the last 150 years because the times have changed and our systems needs to as well. >> susan, from what i've learned from education nation at msnbc, no single solution is going to work. there isn't a single bullet. there's a range of things. it is true we have to val
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 8:00pm PST
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MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 7:00am PST
are lagging behind their international counterparts in math, reading, science. the new international standardized test scores indicate 15-year-olds in the u.s. were below the international average in math, about average in science and reading and dropped down in the ranking since the last test three years ago. the top scores from each subject came from shanghai. >>> take a look at this incredible rescue that took place 20 miles off the nigerian coast around under water. three days after a tugboat capsized, divers were looking for bodies and a hand reached up to get them. the boat's cook was alive. he survived in a four-foot air bubble. he only had coca-cola to drink. he spent so long under water with so little oxygen he had to spend another 60 hours in a decompression chamber once he returned to the surface. unbelievable. >>> fascinating photo has the internet buzzing about whether a face can be seen in a steel column from the world trade center. do you see it? workers say they have been talking about a face for a while. some even call it the angel of 9/11 but it's getting a lot of a
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 8:00am PST
walden told the christian science monitor that we are looking at real reform that is done a piece at a time, step by step. my guess is that it comes later next year. in your opinion is a piecemeal approach the best way to go? should that be the only way that the house can go? >> it appears to be. look, let's, first of all, get one thing clear. democrats were in charge 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 in the house of representatives. we never took the issue up. unfortunately now for our side, republicans are in charge and guess what, they're going to say how it is it's going to come about. here's the good thing. the good thing is they say they're going to do it. so if comprehensive immigration reform, thomas, you and i take any bill on comprehensive immigration. part is border security, the dream act, ag workers, future flows for the high tech industry and a pathway to legalization. so immigration reform is clearly -- you can clearly divide it up because there are different components that make up the package. look, as long as in the end none of the parts causes me any acid indigestion or il
MSNBC
Dec 9, 2013 10:00am PST
and rich curriculum including arts and music and science. that's what we're calling for here. we're one of any number of groups, student or parent, community groups that says we need a new school not fixated on testing, strategies that create winners and losers but we have to help all of our children achieve and succeed. that's why you see the largest coordinated group of action, 90 in all, set for different parts of time during the day today. >> with race to the top, one of the policies you think was a failure and has not improved the overall standing of american students. >> i think what happened was race to the top was too fixated on testing and not enough on teaching and learning. now, let me just be clear. race to the top is part of a $100 billion stimulus package that was really important to keep schools afloat during the worse recession since the great depression. what's happened, andrea, there's been too much of a focus on testing and on people in washington and in state capitals actually not listening to parents or to teachers who actually believe, for example, in the standards
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2013 12:00am PST
that mediocrity is a realize. they showed u.s. students in the middle of the pack in reading and science. the pisa rankings were based on e tests of more than half a million 15-year-olds. the u.s. education secretary arnie duncan calling it stagnation. but before we talk about how to fix the problem, let's look deeper. there might be a lot less here than meets the eye. they're broken down in connecticut, florida, and massachusetts. in connecticut and massachusetts, two of the richest states in the union were students generally perform better than the worldwide average. the policy substitute said that america lags in social testing. if you were to correct for their massive income inequality, the performance is better than it appears. consider that the top issuer in all three categories was shanghai, a result that gave rise to headlines proclaiming china has having the smartest students. they are just 1.7% of china's population. country, essentially forces many of the children of poor workers to leave shanghai for high school. while testing was done three years ago in china's rural areas, the chines
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2013 2:30am PST
, the legislation does not go far enough. >> a few years ago these undetectible plastic guns were science fiction. they were the stuff of movies. now they're frighteningly real. it will be unimaginable for congress not to pass a strong law that closes the loopholes and bans these guns once and for all. >> the nra did not oppose the extension of the plastic gun ban but does oppose any expansion of it. >>> now to business. later this morning the adp's employment report will be out. in terms of stocks yesterday, all three major indices in negative territory. almost 100 points in the dow which is back below 16,000. it's the longest losing streak in two months. joining us now this is a treat, kayla. >> you have to say that. >> it is a treat when anyone from state side comes on our show. >> thank you, brian. well, our eyes turn again to washington because regulators are set to vote on a key portion of the dod-frank regulation next tuesday, december 10th. it's expected to be approved. the passing of the rule will mark an era of stricter oversight for wall street with a lot of restrictions on how banks c
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2013 10:00pm PST
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MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 6:00pm PST
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Dec 3, 2013 11:00pm PST
a map. as it turns out the production was part of a commercial shoot supporting the museum of science fiction. a non-profit initiative that plans to build a full scale museum in washington. while the district has over 50 museums and historic sites, they say this would be the first in the world devoted exclusively to the sci-fi genre. supporters are hoping to raise enough money to hold up a temporary preview museum by next year. >>> up next, remember when the republican party promised to stop alienating groups that didn't vote for them? apparently the republicans don't. that's ahead. and this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ >>> welcome back to "hardball." after the republican party's second national defeat at the hands of barack obama last november, some of the grownups in the party decided to set out to find what went wrong. the autopsy concluded that in order to win national elections again, the republican party needed to overcome the public perception that it is intolerant, out of touch, and simply doesn't care. but have the republicans followed their own advice so far? "
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2013 9:00pm PST
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MSNBC
Dec 5, 2013 12:00am PST
every day in the schools matters just as much. >> well, i personally think the social science leading me to the conclusion it matters less than what happens outside of the schools. and i think if you look at the comparative data we have from pisa, let's look at the places doing it right. that have a whole variety of educational systems, poland, finland, there are a lot of different practices. the thing that jumps out, they have a lot less poor kids, many, many fewer kids. >> let's look at what you're trying to say, to your point, let's look at pisa, if you look in the united states from 2003 until now, on the pisa test, actually, the poorest kids in this country have gained about 11 points. the richest kids in this country have actually fallen by some points. so the small gains we've seen in the nation have been accomplished by the poorest children. that says, even though kids are growing up in poverty. even though they have tremendous challenges we can still expect that if we have the right school environments, they can learn, and thrive and grow academically. >> they can learn and thri
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2013 6:00am PST
for the affordable care act, it throws off the science. we have a problem. there is work to be done in spreading the news about the law. in terms of what we saw in 2 th -- 2009 to 2013 and for the party id and it was 42%. 31-25, you have this general cynicism about politics within that younger set. which party benefits more from that and on top of that, do you think republicans can get the voters if they have these problems with younger voters regarding gay rights and immigrant rights? >> you are right. there is the split developing between the younger half of that generation who were less impacted probably by president bush and more by president obama and the struggles with the economy and everything else. if you look at the polling, it shows a drop in support for democrats and the republicans have not been able to seize control of this. especially gay marriage and marriage equality. that is supported by the generation and for the republicans to take advantage of the opportunity that has been handed them, they will have to handle that really well. most on college campuses, you see here most of
MSNBC
Dec 5, 2013 6:00pm PST
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MSNBC
Dec 5, 2013 9:00pm PST
any surprise fees. ♪ it's not rocket science. it's just common sense. from td ameritrade. >>> the death of nelson mandela today was announced late this afternoon east coast time. the government of south africa has not yet released an official schedule of what's going to happen now in the next few days. but what we can best understand is probably this. the government's going to issue a formal notice about the memorial service over the course of the next 48 hours. then it will be three days after that announcement when the memorial service will actually be held. it will be held at the fnb soccer stadium in soweto. after the memorial service at that huge arena, mr. mandela's body will lie in state at the union buildings in pretoria. his body will lie there in state for three days of public viewing. and then his body will travel home to the town of qunu which is where he was born and where he will be buried at his family compound. it is expected that jimmy carter, bush the younger, bush the older, bill clinton and president obama will visit. dan rather just said that he shoul
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2013 3:00am PST
this looks like science-fiction. it's not. >> wow. >> this is early. this is still years away. drops the package. >> there's the package. >> you get your package. we can do half hour delivery. designee said years away but he went on to say maybe four or five. he said the plan is not practical and wouldn't work for all items. >> he's one of the new tech geniuses. i got to say, this is a good indication that this guy, just like steve jobs before him, dropping a lot of acid. dropping a lot of acid because that will never happen. >> you have a tremendous tree line here. i can't quite get the drone in. what about a parking lot. >> how do you get it to -- >> does not happen. >> weekly reader things there will be flying cars by the end of the century. >> are you still reading "weekly reader." >> i still read "weekly reader." >> amazon is amazing. >> how do you do it in a city. >> dropped to your whole building. >> they are amazon. >> they can do anything. >> they can do everything. order diapers and they are there by dinner time. >> they can be here before you get off the set. >> i often am
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2013 8:00am PST
unmanned drones to deliver your packages. >> i know this looks like science fiction, it's not. wow. this is early. this is still years away. drops the package. >> there's the package. >> come and get your package. >> ceo jeff bezos says they may be ready for use in four to five years. losing thrusters. i need more power. give me more power! [ mainframe ] located. ge deep-sea fuel technology. a 50,000-pound, ingeniously wired machine that optimizes raw data to help safely discover and maximize resources in extreme conditions. our current situation seems rather extreme. why can't we maximize our... ready. ♪ brilliant. let's get out of here. warp speed. ♪ ♪ ♪ i know they say warpyou can't go home again ♪ ♪ ♪ i just had to come back one last time ♪ ♪ ♪ you leave home, you move on [ squeals ] ♪ and you do the best you can ♪ i got lost in this old world ♪ ♪ and forgot who i am ♪ ♪ nothing says, "you're my #1 copilot," like a milk-bone biscuit. ♪ say it with milk-bone. >>> is hillary clinton president obama's, quote, natural successor come 2016? and then
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2013 11:00am PST
science fiction, it's not. >> wow. >> this is early, this is still years away. drops the package and there's the package. >> the idea is that the unmanned aircraft would deliver purchases to customers in less than 30 minutes of an online order. bezos says the drones may be ready in four to five years. they are working on commercial regulations for unmanned drone use. critics expressed concerns about the safety and whether americans can put past their feelings regarding the stigma associated with drone technology. so what does your gut tell you? should drone delivery take flight? before we go, one of our producers mark katz, decided to grow out his beard for no shave november to raise awareness for men's health. today mark trusted me to shave him. here's a look. >> you ready? >> yeah. >> okay. no man ever trusted me that much, mark, i wonder why. >> wow you went from kenny rogers to cutie. >> anyway, this is before and after. there he is, that's the before. that's an after. mark, i'm so proud of you, what a great cause and thanks for trusting me. other than shaving my legs, i've never done
MSNBC
Dec 2, 2013 1:00pm PST
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Dec 2, 2013 2:00pm PST
in the sky, it's a bird! >> it's a plane! >> i know this looks like science fiction. >> its goal is to sell everything to everyone. >> amazon is launching a new stealth service. >> these are effectively drones, but no reason they can't be used as delivery vehicles. we can do half-hour delivery. of course the clock is clicking, dude. >> and carry objects up to five pounds. this thing can't land on somebody's head while walking around in their neighborhood. >> today's top trender, care less. >> if you ask the obama administration if the government's new health care website is vastly improved -- >> i think it's going to be an epic failure. >> john cornyn still thinks obama care is on life support. >> it is amazing, the level of rhetoric they'll throw at the american people. >> we know that lying to congress is a crime. but unfortunately, lying to the american people is not. >> joining me tonight, josh marshal. he is the founder and editor of talking points memo. i want to compliment your website. i can it's one of the best political websites out there. thanks for being on the program. all righ
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 3:00am PST
are down four spots in science coming in at 24. and they slipped another -- >> this is unbelievable. >> ten spots -- >> look at that. >> to 21st when it comes to reading. several chinese cities as well as japan and singapore saw their students improve significantly. >> willie geist, your mom has been involved in educational reform. we were talking about mike bloomberg who dedicated four years to it. the gates spent billions and billions of dollars and the only thing -- not the only thing but one of the main things they learned reducing class sides. they spent billions of dollars on that. that doesn't work. man, the past four years when it seems everybody's focus has turned to education reform in a big way, just been disastrous, not disastrous but terrible. our state of the union are getting worse and worse. >> this is a trajectory we've seen for more than a decade. it goes back. maybe you say we'll give the reforms of the last few years to settle in. reaction to this study was amazing. you have all these special interest groups saying it's not our fault. it's not the fact that we're teachin
MSNBC
Dec 3, 2013 12:00pm PST
now because they buy most of them and the science and what used to be a very inno vative industry is extremely slow and waiting a decade or more to get vaccines through and it's tragic, this is one of the best, best -- the tort system was a problem too but they passed a law changing that. and that's a very bad sign that these very important medications. >> if we were able to do away with the loopholes and get some things passed in congress and work with the technology that we have and use innovation at its best, where could we be today? >> i have -- i discuss these in more detail in my book, but i have not the slightest doubt they have the technology to beat cancer. this is said many times in the past. now with cancers, they do just quite stunning things, they find out what are the targets on the cancer cells and study them and go after them with two structure based designs, throw a bunch of biochemists at it and design a molecule or monoclone anti-bodies and most recently they've actually begun extracting white blood cells from patients and engineering those right down to target
MSNBC
Dec 4, 2013 1:00pm PST
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Dec 4, 2013 2:00pm PST
of urgency to get a deal or to meet any dead lien when it comes to a budget. the house science committee is out of this world. >> a full house committee will spend time today holding a hearing on aliens. >> do you think it's even conceivable that there is not other life somewhere in the universe? >> today's hearing appears to be a serious effort to educate congress. >> do you believe there's life out there, dr. dick? >> yes, i do. >> okay. dr. seger? >> yes. >> and today's top trender. bill backtracks. >> words matter. >> even if it takes a change in the law, the president should honor the commitment the federal government made to those people and let them keep what they got. >> president clinton, i think, went off the rails and defended the junk insurance industry. >> clinton says he was only trying to help by defending junk insurance. >> i was trying to be supportive of it. i said nothing about this until the president himself spoke. i don't think you can find anybody in america who has worked harder for his re-election or supported this bill or went out of his way to explain the bill
MSNBC
Dec 6, 2013 5:00pm PST
professor of political science and international public affairs at columbia university. dorian, this could happen tomorrow. there is a lot of support publicly in polling, it's remarkable popular. there's strong support in the democratic caucus on both sides of the aisle -- both houses, and the president has come out, and he's been talking about it a lot recently, the only obstacle is the house republican caucus. >> that's right. and the president, remember, started at $9 an hour and has agreed to sign off on $10.10 an hour if that bill were to pass. and as we know, this week he gave this big speech on income inequality and talked about those fast-food workers and other low-wage workers. you're right, the our most un-democratic institution, the senate, which is the final stumbling block here. >> you think the senate actually more than the house? >> i'm sorry, thank you for that correction. >> the house. >> i was still in "bizarro world." if you could just replay that every day, maybe it will become reality, i'm sorry. right. it's the house republicans that are -- >> right. >> -- holding thi
MSNBC
Dec 9, 2013 2:00pm PST
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Dec 9, 2013 4:00pm PST
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MSNBC
Dec 8, 2013 9:00am PST
, america scores 26th in math. 17th in reading and 21 in science. >> okay. it may be average in most areas, but it did rank near the top in spending at number five. >> yes. >> are we getting most bang for our buck here? >> so this is a little troubling. the report notes that spending does not necessarily correlate to higher scores. so the united states spends between the ages of 6 and 15 $115,000 per student. to put that in some context, the slovak republic has scores similar to ours, and they only spend $53,000. >> that's extraordinary when you think about how much we're spending and what we're getting. the importance of these findings, julia, put this into perspective. what does it say about our educational system, and should we be worried about those low math scores and the way we're coming in against everybody else on pretty much every other barometer? >> so it is a little bit concerning, but to put it in more context, the united states has never really done well on these sorts of international assessments. since the '60s and '70s, we've scored in the middle or bottom of international
MSNBC
Dec 9, 2013 3:00am PST
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MSNBC
Dec 5, 2013 3:00am PST
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MSNBC
Dec 8, 2013 5:00am PST
and not tap water was more science fiction. this week on tuesday, the house voted to extend that law. sorry. got a little teleprompter screw up here. i'm reading the same thing over and over again. but the -- it is on to the senate now, and what is -- what makes it so complicated in the senate is the fact that senators are basically -- some senators, particularly democratic senators, who are saying that the law doesn't go far enough as it is currently written. so the question now, the dilemma now, that the senate faces is do you pass this law, do you renew this law that was created in 1988, take the attention you can get on that for another ten years, or do you wage a fight, push a fight here, saying we want this law to go farther, we want new provisions in there that would make it impossible for guns that would be printed on the new 3d printers that are coming out, that would make it impossible for those guns to pass through airport security. so that is the dilemma that they are -- that they are facing. now to give you a little history and context for this, you have to go back to the last
MSNBC
Dec 8, 2013 7:00am PST
to see lyrics from jean grae, nas, a number of artists, along with works in the social sciences, talking about urban areas and cities. it's so important that we have those particular narratives, rhy rhymes, struggles represented. because we're really saying to young people, look, your world. we get it. we have been missing this. we haven't been talking about these things. you've kept this going. we now have generations who are talking about really hard issues, because hip hop won't let it go. >> and it validates the textual lyes of young people themselves as value to study. thank you all for being here. last week we put together a black feminism syllabus. i hope y'all will help me put together a hip hop syllabus we can share for our audience spop if folks are just beginning to think about hip hop as a subject, we'll put that together for you, nerdland. jean grae, marcy morgan, walter kimbrough, thank you so much. but amber rose johnson is not leaving yet. because when we come back, he's doing the footnote. hi honey, did you get the toaster cozy? yep. got all the cozies. [ grandma ] with
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